泥潭喜闻乐见,摩根士丹利年度大作:中国将在2025年崩溃

  • i
    iPhone
    Blue Paper Revisit: Why we are still bullish on China

    We are more confident thatChina will be able to achieve a near-stabilization of its debt to GDP by 2H19 and will attain high-income status by 2025, two years earlier than we initially expected. Despite its strong performance year to date, we expect MSCI China to continue to outperform EM over the cycle.

    What has been driving the improvement in China’s macro outlook? Can this improvement be sustained? Are there new emerging risks we should be mindful of? Are you still bullish on China? These are some of the key investor questions that we have received since the publication of our February Blue Paper: Why we are bullish on China.

    Our view in February was that China will be able to avoid a financial shock; the worst of the debt/disinflation cycle is behind us, and that China will make progress on its key transitions, achieving a high-income status by 2027. In this Blue Paper revisit, we document the progress that China has made and have found that, overall, the progress has been better than we expected as:

    Policy tightening and related financial sector clean-up policies have helped to control financial risks.
    Producer prices have decisively left deflation territory.
    The corporate sector has begun to delever.
    The pace of increase in overall debt to GDP has moderated to 4% points so far in 2017, as compared to the cumulative 42% points over both 2015 and 2016.
    Meanwhile, consumption growth continues to outpace investment growth, services sector growth has remained strong and China continues to make inroads on high value-added economic activity.
    To be sure, there are still risks on this journey. While markets have performed well this year and investors have reduced their underweight positions in China, there remains some skepticism over whether this improvement can be sustained.

    There are three key concerns that investors have:

    First, investors contend that China has only managed to slow the pace of increase, but that debt to GDP is still rising.
    Second, there are concerns that as policymakers tighten to slow housing sales and address the rapid rise in household debt, this could cause a sharp adjustment with an attendant impact on growth.
    Finally, whether the policy momentum on supply-side reforms will be maintained is also an area of concern.
    While we share these concerns, our view remains that China will be able to navigate these challenges and continue to move towards becoming a high-income economy. Indeed, our confidence in our thesis has increased over the past few months considering the better-than-expected progress thus far and the continued strong emphasis on ensuring “sustainability” of growth.

    In sum, we think that:

    Debt and inflation dynamics will continue to improve. While headline producer prices will moderate due to base effects, we don’t expect a return of producer price deflation.
    The pace of increase in the overall debt to GDP will moderate significantly to just 3% points annually from 2017-22, which would be a significant improvement from the 16% points annual average increase from 2012-16.
    China will also be able to cross the World Bank's high-income threshold of US$13,700 and attain a high-income status by 2025, two years earlier than our initial forecast of 2027.
    As China makes further progress in its journey towards becoming a high-income economy, the increasing prominence of the private sector along with its higher ROE and lower gearing, will likely mean that MSCI China can maintain its long-run track record of outperformance versus the MSCI EM over the next 10 years.
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    clockworkjian
    厄。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
  • f
    fetter2005
    喜剧多到看不过了
  • s
    sank2000
    LZ作为拿奖的人有什么看法
  • 猪肉白莱
    在泥潭不是已经崩溃很久了么
  • z
    zvison
    小公司,太乐观。
  • P
    Paradoges
    该信泥潭还是信大摩?
    大摩牛逼还是李嘉诚牛逼?

    [本帖最后由 Paradoges 于 2017-11-14 16:08 编辑]
  • e
    elia
    TG在泥潭都崩溃过无数次了
  • s
    slr
    捧杀?
  • n
    nai
    做空本来难度就大,看看大空头
    趋势来看,这次tg是逃不了
    能打的牌都打完了
  • l
    laputanfree
    可以下定论了,泥潭完全看不懂英文,哈哈
  • j
    jyp
    求中文版
  • 总是注册不成功
    喷了,第一句话就说明了文章主题。
  • 农农
    标题:我们为什么还看好中国
  • 乔治巴顿
    直钩钓鱼
  • 保密
    链接呢?
  • d
    daonciun
    泥潭精英失格
  • 仲晓萌
    用谷歌翻译了下,这文章原文怎么像中文翻译成英文的。
  • t
    todleoni
    哑炮炸鱼
  • h
    holyted
    前面又不懂英文又不看正文的,喷了
  • 马里奥爵爷
    太湖之光,天河2号这类对于中国这种计划经济来说,简直就是神器
  • t
    tripx
    做空也是需要筹码的,这些国际大机构到哪里去找那么多的人民币?TG又不给自由兑换,资本项目也不开放的。

    你看看TG都能让王健林不对外投资了,这行政执行能力是一般ZF能比的吗?
  • d
    dragong
    23333
  • c
    collinne
    这是炸鱼了啊
  • 罪恶台球师
    股票还能涨10年
  • b
    bigwizard
    1、你坛大多数只看中文标题
    2、楼主,well done
  • b
    berserkme
    楼主真坏,我喜欢
  • 别开枪
    中文出口转内销.
  • S
    SeanAngela
    Bullish on China
    都不看正文的么?
  • 熏洋葱
    不负责任的机翻
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    蓝皮书重温:为什么我们仍然看好中国

    我们更有信心,中国将在今年下半年实现债务占GDP的比重接近于稳定,到2025年达到高收入水平,比我们预期的提前两年。尽管迄今为止表现强劲,但我们预计摩根士丹利中国在这个周期内将继续超越新兴市场。

    推动中国宏观经济改善的是什么?这种改善能持续下去吗?我们应该注意新出现的风险吗?你还看好中国吗?这是我们2月份的蓝皮书发表以来收到的一些关键的投资者问题:为什么我们看好中国?

    我们二月份的观点是中国能够避免经济冲击,债务/反通货膨胀周期最糟糕的是在我们后面,中国将在关键转型方面取得进展,到2027年达到高收入状态。在本次蓝皮书重访中,我们记录了中国取得的进展,总的来说,进展情况比我们预期的好:

    政策紧缩和相关的金融部门清理政策有助于控制金融风险。
    生产者价格已经果断地左通缩境地。
    企业部门已经开始剥离。
    二零一七年至今,整体债务对GDP的增长速度已经放缓至4%,而二零一五年及二零一六年则为累计42%。
    与此同时,消费增长继续超过投资增长,服务业增长依然强劲,中国继续加大高附加值经济活动的力度。
    可以肯定的是,这个旅程还是有风险的。尽管今年市场表现良好,投资者减持了在中国的低配仓位,但对于这一改善能否持续存在一些怀疑。

    投资者有三个关键的问题:

    首先,投资者认为中国只能放慢增长步伐,但债务占GDP的比重还在上升。
    其次,由于政策制定者收紧房屋销售放缓和家庭负债快速上涨的担忧,这可能会引发急剧的调整,并对经济增长产生影响。
    最后,供给方改革的政策动力是否维持,也是一个值得关注的问题。
    虽然我们分享这些担忧,但我们的观点仍然是,中国将能够应对这些挑战,继续朝着高收入经济的方向发展。事实上,考虑到迄今取得的进展好于预期,以及继续高度重视确保增长的“可持续性”,我们对论文的信心在过去几个月有所增加。

    总之,我们认为:

    债务和通胀动态将继续改善。虽然由于基数效应,整体生产者价格将温和下滑,但我们并不期望生产者价格通缩回归。
    整体债务对GDP的增长速度将在2017 - 22年间显着下滑,仅为每年3%,与2012 - 16年度年均16%的增幅相比有明显改善。
    中国还将能够跨越世行高收入门槛的13,700美元,到2025年达到高收入水平,比我们最初预测的2027年提前两年。
    随着中国高收入经济的进一步发展,私营部门日益显着的ROE和较低的资本充足率,可能意味着MSCI中国可以保持长期的表现, MSCI新兴市场在未来10年。
  • 契卡
    明明是给狮鹫大吹水
  • A
    Ayanaly
    这帖里有几个只看标题的,还大多数well done了,喷了
  • L
    Livy
    war,war never changes
  • 烟雨江山
    应该说精英们都不懂英文
  • y
    yeskey
    看来房价还要涨
  • 炉石传说
    总之,我们认为:

    债务和通胀动态将继续改善。虽然由于基数效应,整体生产者价格将温和下滑,但我们并不期望生产者价格通缩回归。
    整体债务对国内生产总值的增长速度将从2017年至22年每年仅显着下降3%,与2012 - 16年度年均16%的增幅相比有明显改善。
    中国也将能够跨越世行高收入门槛的13,700美元,到2025年达到高收入水平,比我们最初预测的2027年提前两年。
    随着中国成为高收入经济体的进一步发展,私营部门日益显着的ROE和较低的资产负债率将可能意味着MSCI中国可以保持长期以来的优于MSCI的表现EM在未来10年。

    [本帖最后由 炉石传说 于 2017-11-14 18:17 编辑]
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    kenhirai
    喷了,泥潭真的是反向指标?
  • s
    skidrow
    但是,欧美的牌怎么样呢?
  • n
    nai
    不就是爆发经济危机嘛
    咋都这么忌讳?
    美帝都爆发多少次了
    现在TG各种经济数据已经很不正常了,你们都不看数据的?
  • u
    u571
    别那么傻好吧,没看出大家都在说反话吗
  • z
    zeropledge
    鹅都肥成🐖了谈毛崩溃,等到鹅瘦成小黄鸡了再来谈不迟
  • a
    aiplus
    对冲基金经理上论坛钓鱼……
  • s
    staar
    说说怎么不正常。我定投指数的。被你说的很慌啊
  • 今夜打老虎
    笑死我了 直钩钓鱼大成功
  • r
    rauphan
    喷了,lz测试泥潭英语水平呢
  • 企鹅弹吉他
    徐高:理解中国经济的五层思维
    中国首席经济学家论坛:http://www.chinacef.cn/index.php/index/article/article_id/3395

    国内学者写的
  • k
    klmnopq16
    楼主这么喜欢发钓鱼贴吗
  • m
    magtree
    这样就尴尬了。。。。。。