中芯国际,年底试产去美国化40纳米

  • i
    ink007
    然后三年出28,消息来源是日经

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/US-China-tensions/China-chipmakers-speed-up-effort-to-cut-reliance-on-US-supplies

    China chipmakers speed up effort to cut reliance on US supplies
    SMIC to conduct production line trial while Yangtze Memory raises localization target

    Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation is one of the Chinese chipmakers trying to work more with local equipment suppliers and reduce dependence on U.S. manufacturers. © Getty Images
    CHENG TING-FANG and LAULY LI, Nikkei staff writers
    September 9, 2020 13:12 JST













    TAIPEI -- China's top chipmakers are speeding up efforts to reduce their use of U.S semiconductor equipment as fears mount that Washington will impose further curbs on their operations as part of a tech war, people with knowledge of the plans told the Nikkei Asian Review.
    Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation, the country's top contract chipmaker better known as SMIC, and Yangtze Memory Technologies, China's first 3D NAND flash memory maker, are among the companies setting ambitious goals to test homegrown and non-U.S. equipment in their production lines. Several state-backed chipmakers are doing likewise, multiple people familiar with the plans told the Nikkei Asian Review.
    Chinese chipmakers have also stockpiled several years worth of inventories of some supplies from the likes of Applied Materials, a big U.S. equipment maker, the sources said.

    "It's really geopolitical risks that are pushing Chinese chipmakers to forge a plan B as soon as possible," a source told Nikkei.
    SMIC has set an aggressive target to begin trial production for a 40-nanometer chip production line without American equipment before the end of this year, and aims to build more advanced 28-nm chips on the same basis in three years, people with knowledge of the plans told Nikkei.
    Yangtze Memory, meanwhile, has raised its targets for using domestically produced chip equipment and materials almost every month since May, sources said. The company now has a goal for 70% of its equipment to come from domestic suppliers, one of the sources said, compared with a current figure of about 30%. It is bringing more local companies into its group of qualified suppliers.
    The semiconductor industry, which has strong links to national security, has been at the center of the U.S.-China tech war. Chips empower products from smartphones and autonomous cars to advanced military technologies.

    U.S. software and equipment is at the heart of global semiconductor manufacturing, used by Chinese companies as well as market leaders such as Samsung Electronics and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., known as TSMC. Without U.S. equipment most chipmakers would face higher costs and impaired performance.
    Beijing's chip self-sufficiency efforts accelerated after the U.S. in May hit Chinese tech champion Huawei Technologies with stricter export controls. Washington banned semiconductor producers from building chips for Huawei if they use American software and tools along their production lines.
    As the Trump administration has broadened the scope of its crackdown to other China-owned tech businesses such as WeChat and TikTok, Chinese chipmakers, which rely heavily on American tools for production, sensed an imminent threat of being cut off from U.S. supplies, sources said.


    SMIC's shares fell nearly 23% in Hong Kong on Monday after Reuters reported over the weekend that Washington is reportedly considering adding the company to a trade blacklist, alongside Huawei.
    SMIC's 40-nm chips, which allow higher tolerances for precision in manufacturing, are still several generations behind the much smaller, cutting-edge output from rivals. TSMC uses 5-nm technology.
    While 40-nm chips cannot compete for places inside the latest smartphones, laptops and server processors, they can be used by makers of televisions, surveillance camera chip platforms and image sensors.
    The performance of smartphone processor chips built with 28-nm production tech is around seven years behind that of the mobile processors that will go into Apple's 5G iPhones due in the fall, said Su Tzu-yun, director of the Institute for National Defense Security Research in Taipei.
    Even before the escalating trade battle between the U.S. and China, Yangtze Memory was an advocate of using indigenous equipment to answer Beijing's call for self-sufficiency.
    "The efforts have accelerated in a quite radical way this year," a person familiar with the matter said. "The chipmaker now is all-in to adopt domestically developed machines no matter if they have not yet reached satisfactory performance or could lead to additional costs. But it's still quite a long way to go."
    Market watchers say Yangtze Memory has also tried to get a jump on the unfolding geopolitical uncertainties.
    "According to industry surveys and feedback from semiconductor equipment vendors, Yangtze Memory anticipated further escalation of the U.S.-China trade war and hence decided to place [equipment] orders earlier than expected," said Donnie Teng, an analyst with Nomura Research.
    The company in June ordered machines for next year's expansion, several months earlier than first planned, Teng said.
    SMIC and Yangtze Memory did not respond to requests for comments and interviews.
    Beijing last month announced more incentives to turbocharge its homegrown chip industry, including a 10-year income tax exemption for selected chipmakers. It is also encouraging chip producers to raise funds by, among other options, listing on markets such as Shanghai's tech-heavy STAR board and Shenzhen's ChiNext.
    Nomura's Teng said Huawei, SMIC's largest customer, accounting for 20% of its revenues, is a big force behind the Chinese contract chipmaker's drive to study and use more domestic semiconductor production equipment.
    Teng said progress has been slow. For 28-nm production, Chinese equipment can currently cover only 20% of what is required. SMIC also needs Japanese, South Korean and European tool vendors to build a non-U.S. production line, Teng added.
    Zhao Haijun, SMIC's co-CEO, confirmed in an earnings call in August that his company is trying to procure chipmaking tools and materials from within China.
    "We see many key domestic chip equipment and materials makers have also gone public, and received massive financial support from the local capital market," Zhao said in the earnings call. "We think the future is bright, even though the scale of these companies is still small compared with existing market leaders. What we will do now is work with them and also test these local suppliers, but we don't expect these followers could replace any of the leading suppliers soon."
    Three U.S. companies -- Applied Materials, Lam Research and KLA -- along with ASML of Europe and Tokyo Electron of Japan have long dominated the fabrication process for advanced semiconductors.
    China's emerging companies, all little-known outside the chip industry, include Naura, Advanced Micro-Fabrication Equipment, Hwatsing, ACM Research, Mattson Technology and Shanghai Precision Measurement Semiconductor Technology.
    They specialize in a range of production and testing tools, and many have the support of Beijing's so-called Big Fund, a national funding vehicle for the semiconductor industry.
    "Using all non-American chip equipment for the chip production line will definitely affect Chinese chipmakers' product competitiveness, but in the very long run, the market positions of those American companies will eventually be affected as they would no longer become the must-go-to options in years later," Jonah Cheng, chief investment officer at J&J Investment and a veteran tech analyst at UBS, told Nikkei.
    Randy Abrams, an analyst with Credit Suisse, suggested China will not veer off its current path. "China's localization efforts are targeted at both improving the country's development and also at avoiding further disruption from the U.S.," he said. "From the U.S. policy side, we will continue to see some resistance to that.
    "China certainly hopes to gain more sufficiency. However, the global tech supply chain is so interconnected, so it's very difficult for any country to be 100% self-reliant."
  • f
    freeoz
    40nm。。。。机顶盒么。 这行 没20年 比较难。
  • t
    tuzky
    一来一回,差距8年起步
  • v
    viaj
    先有,再优。
  • t
    tilleul
    去美化手机出来的话,哪怕是10年前水平,我也会考虑入手,反正不玩游戏。
  • y
    you2me
    饭一口一口吃。正常
  • 股童
    真能出40nm去美化的手机我也买一部iOS fly ~
  • y
    yeeshao
    我也支持一步 iOS fly ~
  • q
    qiuike
    真能脚踏实地,实事求是的往前追赶,我觉得就有戏。
  • z
    zzh214101
    他如果是去美化的40nm同时有水墨屏,我就买一部支持一下
  • h
    htao12
    一样,回到10年前对我来说娱乐方面没什么影响,反正家里一堆模拟器老游戏可以玩一辈子
  • l
    lycheejet
    好消息,只差8年了。
  • 可子猫
    能真正国产化,我每年都支持一部手机!
    举国之力,不用十年就能突破技术极限,
  • Y
    YuanDi
    这文章也只是说不用美国设备,要完全没有美国技术,我看是不可能的小尾巴~
  • m
    mozhenliang
    楼上回复的,都理性,希望D版以后能保持
  • 咸鱼翻身
    日经。。。这算是。。。捧杀么
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    palm850
    回复11#zzh214101
    是的我也买一部,全当支持了 iOS fly ~
  • 不要问我从哪来
    光刻机自产的? iOS fly ~
  • f
    freeoz
    你信他们, 羊毛露的时候 。。。哈哈哈。到时候 为了功耗 ,淘宝 微信 app 按照现在功能估计要 热爆。
  • y
    yl003_110
    美国智囊团要是像楼上这些这么理性就好了,就不会感觉中国的发展速度威胁到他们从而打压得这么急迫了
  • n
    nick_ni
    加油干
  • d
    drw_08
    40nm是不是酷睿2 t4400的水平?
  • s
    songco
    还是要看性能的, 比如速度能到3年前的中端手机性能, 就非常不错了

    但是, 如果出来是龙芯笔记本那样, 支持就比较难了, 当年比较早的龙芯笔记本谁买了? 有一批应该是官方低价处理, 大概两百多, 咸鱼价格曾经到了100以下...也没见D版抢
  • 少正猫
    看了一下,骁龙600都是28纳米制程的,40纳米生产出来的cpu现在用起来估计比较悬了

    海思K3V2E是一款基于Cortex-A9架构的四核处理器,该处理器是由海思公司自主设计,主频为1.5GHz,采用了40纳米制程,其面积为12毫米x12毫米,是目前最小的四核处理器。
  • d
    dtsw183
    纯国产药支持下,当然可能做手机差些,搞个平板啥的应该可以买个玩玩
  • h
    hamhamha
    别人的再好,也是别人家的啊,人家不给你用了呀,总要有自家的东西,慢慢来
  • c
    citroenc5
    基本上台式机性能够用了
  • f
    freeoz
    路要慢慢走。现在我们转型芯片,是在炸人家饭碗。没办法,谁叫只有一个地球。
  • 少正猫
    手机cpu对制程的要求比电脑要高很多
  • f
    freeoz
    我现在备用机就是612 芯片。开个咸鱼后 外加开个淘宝都费力。l
  • 屋大维
    只要xxxx就买


    真xxxx了:下次一定,下次一定



    普通消费者就是看个性价比,其他的讲再多也是白费。国产芯片道阻且长 iOS fly ~
  • c
    citroenc5
    分布式计算的话不需要多少算力,再说未来还有虚拟眼镜显示,手机狂飙硬件那一套快过时了
  • r
    robbie_williams
    回复2#freeoz


    谁说的 我那个AMD x4 970还是65nm的呢
  • c
    cupidy
    希望早点成功,只要去美化在路上了,这一切就不可逆了
  • f
    freeoz
    ,云计算。额,GPU 貌似算力要求严格哦。 瘦pc 貌似n年前就有了把。目前看到就图书馆 学校用得多。。。
  • l
    lumi
    你买我推荐,我买我不买!
  • R
    R32
    40nm放手机上基本满足不了需求的,各位想多了
  • 3
    30900688
    一旦成功,后面就快了。
  • W
    WiseWater
    真能完全去美化40纳米,那就是真牛了,后面摩尔定律上来。。
  • e
    ekson
    这里看的最多的永远都是冷嘲热讽 iOS fly ~
  • f
    freeoz
    我说20年意思是。。完全 赶上主流。
    汽车工业这么大市场的情况下,都玩到现在才中国才开始牛逼。
    而且是人家吃剩下的 产业。

    都说了。现在就是抢人家饭碗。
    老美,除了 芯片和高端工业例如飞机。他没什么了吧。


    只要完全有心做下去,只能一条路做到底。这没有回头路的。。
  • z
    zjmng
    真实现了美国人肯定后脊梁发凉啊!
  • z
    zy3242016
    回复24#songco
    龙芯arm架构,根本没法用,说白了就是cpu大小问题,手机上够呛,但是台式机最多cpu体积大一倍些嘛iOS fly ~
  • b
    beafhorse
    先让那些鬼app都去瘦身,一个个臃肿的不像样子。
  • q
    quechua
    出了手机的话必须支持一下。
    其实还得立法整治这些国内的流氓app。
  • g
    guoqz
    去年看乐夏,刺猬乐队的赵子健,不是号称知名互联网企业的程序员都和他做过同事嘛?我就在想,都是这样混日子型的程序员,怪不得app一个比一个糟心。酱心程序员。
  • b
    bfimmortal
    真的完全去美化的手机,我也支持一个
  • s
    sosunny
    为何楼上不少人认为去美国化就是国产在40纳米站稳了呢,只是退而求其次使用别国的替代技术了吧。国产化的道路任重而道远远。