从apple仿佛看到了当年诺基亚倒闭前的影子。

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    songco
    诺基亚2013卖给微软的, 苹果也就是这次疫情大跌了一下, 又涨回去不少, 和诺基亚快不行的时候差别还是很大的

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  • l
    lotus163
    回复5#zengming

    是的
    公司的产品被销售主导,那就完了
  • q
    qiuike
    回复5#zengming


    对的,这才是致命打击。
  • z
    zengming
    Steve: 苹果正在衰落,非常痛苦地衰落
    Steve: Apple is dying today, Apple is dying a very painful death, it’s on a glide slope too, to die!

    原因在于…
    And the reason is because …

    我离开时,苹果领先业界整整10年
    you know when I walked out the door of Apple, we had 10 years lead on everybody else in the industry, Macintosh was 10 years ahead.

    微软10年后才赶上我们
    We watched Microsoft take 10 years to catch up with it.

    他们能赶上来是因为苹果止步不前
    Well, the reason that they could catch up with it was because Apple stood still,

    今天的Macintosh与10年前的几乎没有区别
    I mean the Macintosh shipping today is like 25% different than the day I left!

    苹果每年的研发费用数千万,累计已经超过50亿
    They spent hundreds of millions of dollars a year on R&D, you know total of probably 5 billion dollars on R&D,

    有什么效果?我没看到
    what did they get for? I don’t know!

    他们不懂如何利用新技术,不懂如何创造新产品
    But it was... what happened was the ...understanding of how to move these things forward, and how to create these new products, somehow evaporated,

    优秀的员工被困在公司里,束手无策
    and I think a lot of good people stuck around for a while, but there wasn’t an opportunity to get together and do this,

    因为缺少有眼光的管理者
    because there wasn’t any leadership to do that,

    所以苹果在各个方面都落后了,包括市场份额
    so what happens with Apple now is that they had fallen behind in many aspects certainly in market share,

    产品的优势已经被微软赶超
    and most importantly their differentiation has been eroded by Microsoft,

    现在只剩下一群老用户,而且数量在缓慢递减
    and so what they have now is that they have their installed base, which is not growing, which is shrinking slowly,

    老用户带来的收益还能再撑几年,但是逐年减少
    but would provide a good revenue stream for several years, but it’s a glide slope, it’s just gonna go like this.

    很糟糕,而且我现在看不到挽回的希望
  • z
    zengming
    如果jobs还活着,把文中的macintosh换成iphone,意思也差不离,jobs带来的技术领先慢慢被追上,现在的当位者不知道如何创新,只能在继续炒剩饭,直到技术领先优势不再。
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    erik
    只要苹果生态能继续维持,一时半会儿还完不了。诺基亚当年只有手机,其它的呢?基站?
  • c
    clouday
    苹果那句永远的口号 think different 在现在的苹果身上已经看不到了
    曾经的乔布斯 站在台上 从牛皮纸袋里拿出mba 我们不需要看参数 直接就想买

    而现在 就连苹果自己 也要在繁复的参数里找到客户愿意购买的亮点
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    fxool
    回复18#jpg122
    还拿续航来说苹果啊,11 Pro Max 续航已经超越mate 30 Pro 了 iOS fly ~
  • x
    xxxkeke
    没有全面屏,卖三千,这产品毫无竞争力。
    目测苹果这波零器件库存将毫无作为,至少在国内市场是毫无机会
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    jpg122
    回复59#fxool

    麻烦看清楚,不如诺基亚。
  • g
    guojie1983
    苹果卖屎都有人吃,信么?
  • t
    toad
    一时半会死不了,苹果最大优势是它的生态系统和app的用户体验。杀死nokia的不是iPhone的硬件,而是应用软件。Symbian s60需要各种证书,还要什么自签名并且没有统一的应用市场需要用户上网满处找……s60这样的软件用户体验被iPhone统一的App Store上的app吊打!要说硬件设计,Nokia并不差,甚至我个人觉得硬件上Nokia吊打iPhone,其全屏手机在iPhone出来之前Nokia并不是没有,5800,5300都是全屏手机,有人喜欢全键盘那么可以选e63,e72,有人喜欢滑盖可以选n80,n95,甚至滑盖你也可以选是上滑盖还是侧滑盖(n97),然而Nokia硬件上的百花齐放并没什么卵用! iOS fly ~
  • p
    pzk
    降一千立马变真香小尾巴~
  • z
    zengming
    软件行业正在发生两件激动人心的事
    there are two exciting things happening in software and in computing,

    一个是面向对象编程,另一个就是web
    one is objects, and the other is the web,

    web将实现我们盼望已久的梦想
    the web is incredibly exciting because it is the fulfillment a lot of our dreams,

    计算机不再仅仅充当计算工具,开始承担通信功能
    that the computer would ultimately not be primarily a device for computation but metamorphosis into a device for communication, and with the web that’s finally happening,

    可喜的是微软还没发现这一点,创新的机会很多
    Secondly it’s exciting because the Microsoft doesn’t know it, and therefore it’s tremendous amount of innovation happening,

    web将深刻改变我们的社会
    so I think the web is going to be profound in what it does to our society,

    你知道美国有15%的商品是通过电视购物销售的
    as you know 15% of the goods and services in the US were sold by catalog over TV,

    电视购物很快会被web取代
    all that would go on the web and more, billions and billions …

    网络销售的潜力巨大
    soon tens of billions of dollars of goods and services are going to be sold on the web.

    网络将成为最直接的销售渠道
    A way to think about it is ultimately direct-to-customer distribution channel,

    而且在网络上小公司与大公司看起来没有区别
    and another way to think about it is the smallest company in the world can look as large as the largest company in the world on the web,

    如果将来回顾计算机发展历史
    so I guess... I think the web, as we look back 10 years back now,

    web技术必然成为重要的里程碑
    the web is going to be the defining technology the defining social moment for computing,

    它的潜力很大,会吸引更多年轻人进入计算机行业
    I think it’s going to be huge and I think it’s breathed a whole new generation of life into personal computing, I think it’s going to be huge.

    Bob: 你们正在开发…
    Bob: And you are making software that …

    Steve: 不仅是我们,Web为IT行业开启了新的大门
    Steve: Of course, so is everybody, I mean forget about what we are doing, as an industry, the web is going to open a whole new door to this industry.

    Bob: 放在5年之前,谁能想象得到呢?
    Bob: It’s another one of those things that it’s obvious once it happens, but 5 years ago, who would have guessed?

    Steve: 没错,多么奇妙的行业呀!
    Steve: That’s right. Isn’t this a wonderful place we live in.
  • z
    zengming
    有重新看了整个访谈,jobs对计算机,手机,软件,互联网的发展贡献是世界级的。

    采访结束一年后(1996年),Steve将NeXT出售给苹果
    In 1996, a year after this interview, Steve Jobs sold NeXT to Apple.

    在苹果即将破产之际,乔布斯重新掌管了公司
    He then took control of his old company at a time when it was 90 days from bankruptcy,

    随后展开了美国商业史上绝无仅有的拯救行动
    What followed was a corporate renaissance unparalleled in American business history,

    随着iMac、iPod、iTunes、iPhone、iPad、Apple Store等创新产品的陆续推出,乔布斯将一家濒临破产的企业改造成全美最有价值的公司
    with innovative products like iMac, iPod, iTunes, iPhone, iPad and Apple Stores, Jobs turned an almost bankrupt Apple into the most valuable company in America.

    正如他在采访中所言,他追求极致,分享给同类,这样人类才能共同进步
    As he said in this interview, he took the best and spread it around “so that everybody grows up with better things”.

    Steve Jobs 1955-2011

  • o
    onetozi
    回复1#小米电视


    真的有点像啊,期待早日倒闭,能捡点洋垃圾~
  • d
    davie
    有道理
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    yyysuo
    诺基亚倒掉,虽然根本原因是它自己裹足不前,但是那根稻草是iphone的横空出世,出现了颠覆性的产品,诺基亚瞬间就完蛋了。苹果目前是放慢了创新的脚步,但是创新还是存在的,并且拥有庞大的软件生态和强大的软硬结合能力,就算苹果堕落成了诺基亚,没有颠覆性的产品出现,苹果还可以撑个15年。
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    iamxiaop
    盛极必衰是企业发展亘古不变的定律,但是苹果目前依然是非常优秀的公司。
    计算机硬件进步速度显然在逐步放缓,短期内应该不会有什么突破性的技术。
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    nglee
    回复1#小米电视
    这个价位水分有点大,等pdd降个大几百块,拿出一个屏幕素质,拍照,摄像,震动,做工,质量,音质,系统,生态,隐私保护各个维度中一半可以超越的高端机并不容易。 iOS fly ~
  • d
    dingceng
    最喜欢看屌丝们讨论苹果什么时候倒闭 iOS fly ~
  • s
    sunny.yg
    这个帖子很好。赞一下,希望不要堕落
  • b
    buwangmei
    诺基亚倒闭的只是手机业务,其它活得很滋润,希望若基亚再做出个新系统来重新盘活手机。以若基亚的势力只要肯下资金去做应该可以做出来。
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    chaos
    诺基亚是被智能手机打败的,这个行业暂时还看不到有突破性的足以消灭苹果的新东西。
  • i
    ibman
    苹果倒了抄谁去,带头大哥没了
  • 断水刀
    是的,诺基亚是被行业颠覆者干翻的,而不是同类竞争者。
  • 吉祥的云
    每个品牌还都有自己的一套定制小功能
  • 吉祥的云
    楼主要不去做空一下苹果?以苹果的市值,做空成功的话,可以赚它几个亿吧
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    lifree
    换个名字,估计更合适。O(∩_∩)O哈哈~
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    spombe
    回复63#toad

    苹果刚开始也是跟诺基亚一样的,ipa随便自己装。所以说乔布斯眼光厉害,一下子看到了商机。不过应用市场也许并不是进步,而是一种暂行机制。自由的市场就一定不好么?资本肯定不喜欢,但做技术的未必会这么看。
  • h
    hongxin
    回复3#birdboyli

    不标配=没有快充
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    spombe
    回复83#断水刀

    我同意前面的看法,是被3G干掉的。所以下一个干掉苹果的,也许是5G或者6G或者什么还在襁褓的技术。反正公司嘛,也就是这样一波波的换。
  • r
    roffee
    硬件上的确是,但是苹果有软件有生态,所以还是能躺着赚钱很多年
  • k
    k_u_u_k
    同行承托
    只要没有一家手机厂商是软件+硬件,苹果就没问题。
  • 老童
    回复1#小米电视

    今年再说苹果低端机可以买到别家高端机就是不乐观了。。。
  • 不要问我从哪来
    竞争对手太弱了,苹果等了很多年,鸿沟没有被消除。怎么办? iOS fly ~
  • 小蝎
    三星以前有一个bada系统,一样最终死在了生态上。如果当年三星能开放一点,未必不会有bada的春天。
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    leelrs
    看来楼主只知道有iPhone 不知道苹果有一套生态
  • 金总
    生态还是很牛逼的。反正我换手机时考虑了一秒,想到切换安卓系统的各种麻烦,包括200G的iCloud,还是选择了iPhone11 iOS fly ~