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  • 靓老虎
    黑暗森林英文版部分评论翻译

    来源于Amazon和Goodreads


    Couldn't put it down.
    (简直停不下来啊)

    Literally.
    (真的)

    I neglected other duties for 36 hours
    (在过去的36个小时,我其他啥事都没干)

    . Excellent continuation of the story
    (很好的续集)

    . Again, fascinating view of drivers of species survival seen through a different cultural lens, somewhat alien to my Western background.
    (又一次从一个不同文化背景展示了生存驱动的牛逼观点)

    I did not expect it to follow the usual paths of English and USA scifi and it did not disappoint. Loved it.
    (就知道会是野路子,果然没让我失望,大爱)

    Unfortunately the translation jarred at times. Luckily infrequently. But not enough for me to deduct a star.
    (就是翻译有时候让人不爽,还好这样的时候不是很多,不足以让我扣掉一星)

    About 80% through this book (after the Battle of Darkness), I needed a nap desperately.
    (已经看了大概80%,刚看完黑暗战役,我真的要小睡一下了)

    In the nap, I dreamed extremely troubling dreams, filled with the feeling of despair and the knowledge that humanity would die.
    (睡梦中,梦魇不断,各种绝望和人类会灭亡的信息)

    Just felt like explaining the mood this book left me in for the most part: an overwhelming tension that every single human will perish, first in spirit, then in body. Thanks for that, Mr. Liu!
    (想解释下这本书给我带来的感觉:每个人都会死去,先是精神上,接着是肉体上消亡的那种令人窒息的绝望感。谢谢你,刘先生)

    At that point, I thought I would end up not liking this book. I mean, the darkness of this book might haunt me for a while. This isn't pointlessly grimdark cynicism. I generally consider myself an "up" person. I love stories that are all about people defying the laws of the universe through the power of love. For a day, this book made me doubt that.
    (这样的感觉持续了大半本书,如果真的这样结束的话,我想我不会喜欢这本书。我是说这种黑暗会萦绕我心头好久。但这本书不是那种傻逼愤青书。我一般认为自己还是那种积极向上的人。我喜欢那种主人公以爱的力量公然藐视宇宙规律的书。现在,我开始怀疑这样的想法)

    Definitely a high concept work. I'm not going to walk away loving Luo Ji or Zhang Beihai or Da Shi especially. But the feelings of overwhelming despair seeing inevitable defeat, the weird thrilling methods of watching the Wallfacers work, the pall that the Battle of Darkness cast over everything... The ideas and feelings here are universal.
    (这本书绝壁是玩概念的那种。当我走开的时候我不会特别的去喜欢逻辑,北海或者大史。但那种预见到必然失败的压倒一切的绝望感,看着面壁者工作的奇怪的战栗感还有黑暗战役投射在整个故事上的感觉。。。这些点子和感觉是宇宙级的)。

    The emotional arc of the lead Luo Ji is essentially that of the book's. First Luo Ji is a misantrope, selfishly living life cheerfully because one day we will die, uncaring of humanity's imminent destruction. Then he has a wife and a daughter, and through his love for them (or because of them, perhaps), then cares for the fate of the Earth.
    逻辑这段没什么意思,不翻。
    This book made me believe the darkness was real, and that there might not be hope after all. So the moment in the last, god, 5 or 10 pages, when the tone changed. I never thought they were going to go there. The dark forest is presented as something altogether larger, more terrifying and powerful than humanity. Than humanity could ever be.
    这本书一度让我相信了黑森,死去了希望。所以在最后,我滴个亲娘啊,5到10页,画风变了。没想到啊没想到。黑森此时显示出了更宏大,更骇人和远远比人类更强大的一面。比人类能达到的最高度还高的一面。
    So at the end... Ah, I'll quote it. Super extra spoilers, this is literally from the last page:
    所以最后。。。啊,我引用下。超级剧透预警。
    I only wish to discuss with you one possibility: Perhaps seeds of love are present in other places in the universe. We ought to encourage them to sprout and grow.
    我只想和你讨论一种可能性:也许爱的种子正在宇宙的其他地方萌芽。也许我们应该鼓励他们抽条和生长。
    "That's a goal worth taking risks for."
    这个目标值得冒险一试。
    Yes, we can take risks.
    是的,我们可以冒险一试。
    "I have a dream that one day brilliant sunlight will illuminate the dark forest."
    我有一个梦,有一天明媚的阳光会照亮黑暗森林。
    The sun was setting. Now only its tip was exposed beyond the distant mountains, as if the mountaintop was inset with a dazzling gemstone. Like the grass, the child running in the distance was bathed in the golden sunset.

    The sun will set soon. Isn't your child afraid?

    "Of course she's not afraid. She knows that the sun will rise again tomorrow."
    (这几段大家都知道了,我就不翻了)
    Do you ever just cry? Ah, me. In this single exchange at the end, my hope was restored, my mood lifted, and suddenly I began to believe perhaps despair is not more powerful than love. Even such a science fiction book focused so much on showing humanity succumbing to darkness in the end wants to hope in love.
    你刚刚是不是哭了?啊?我。在这突然转变的结尾,我又充满了希望。意识到也许绝望不会比爱更有力量。即使是这样一本关注阴暗面一百年的科幻小说在结尾还是充满爱的希望。
    Extremely happy to see that the English version of Death's End will be arriving in a mere five months!
    我十分想在五分钟内见到赵忠祥,啊不,死神永生的英文版。

    Read it as fast as I could and enjoyed every bit of it. I'll be re-reading it again soon if my past behavior with the first book is any guide.
    火急火燎看完了,从头爽到尾啊。想马上就重读一遍,就像第一部一样。

    I loved this book. It didn't have quite the same density of "amazing mind-blowing plot revelations per chapter" that The Three Body Problem" had, but it was an interesting meditation on where society might end up 200 years after the events in the first book
    太喜欢这本书啦。不像第一部每一章都有惊喜,但是思考一下第一部的设定之后200年后的未来什么样也很有意思的。

    I cannot wait for book three.
    等不及第三部啦。

    Hugo / Nebula award please
    就把雨果奖/星云奖给大刘吧
    The second book of this series, “The Dark Forest”, has its obvious shortcomings. The most glaring flaw I personally feel is Luo Ji (the leading character of the second book)’s romance with his “dream girl”. But how many engaging love stories have been told by scifi authors anyway? In addition, for American readers who have enjoyed the Chinese cultural/historical aspects of book one, reading The Dark Forest requires no understanding of the Chinese culture. Some of my friends also think that the Wallfacer project does not make much sense, but I disagree.
    第二章也不是全无缺点。最大的败笔就是罗辑两口子的爱情故事。但话说回来好像科幻小说里的爱情故事都不咋的。另外,和第一部不同,阅读第二部完全不需要中国文化/历史。我有点朋友认为面壁者计划狗屁不通,但我认为他们都是逗比。

    This book deserves a five-star rating thoroughly. Unlike the Three-Body Problem that bears the burden of slowly laying the contextual foundation for the plot of the entire book series, the pace of The Dark Forest moves rather quickly from the beginning. There is no three-body computer game anymore. But a different game is played between four Wallfacers and their respective Wallbreakers. Each Wallfacer tried and failed in searching for a way to counter the looming invasion. Yet it does not seem to matter because, before the first alien fleet arrives, human technology has accelerated and risen to a level that rivals the alien race. Yes, inter-planetary peace is afoot.
    这本书完全值五星。和第一部需要打基础不同,第二部一开始节奏就很快。三体游戏落幕,面壁游戏开锣。面壁者一个个失败,但猪都不在乎因为在第一艘外星飞船来临前,人类的技术已经突飞猛进可以和他们“匹敌”了。是的,星际和平“可期”。

    Part III of The Dark Forest is the climax and most dramatic stage of the entire trilogy series. Both Luo Ji and Zhang Beihai – two leading characters of the book – are awaken from century-long hibernation to witness the human race’s first physical contact with the aliens. I am not going to the details because it will spoil the fun of your reading. Suffice it to say there are several brilliant twists of the plot that forces the question: what is humanity after all? In my mind, the best scifi novels are not so much about the light-speed space dashing or spectacular galactic wars, but how we define humanity when facing an alien encounter or invasion. The Dark Forest just did that, in a chilling way. Almost like a social scifi, the socio-psychological elements give the book a provocative depth and resonance
    黑森的第三部分是全系列的高潮。罗辑和北海都从冬眠中被唤醒,目睹了人类与外星人的第一次亲密接触。涉及剧透,俺就不说了。你们只要知道有好几个牛b的可以拷问“人类究竟是个啥样”的反转就好了。我看来,最好的科幻不应该是飞船乱撞,电光火石,而应该是人类在面对外星人怎样定位自己的问题。黑森就是这样的好科幻,并且呈现出一种让人毛骨悚然的韵味。像社会科幻小说一样,这本书的社会心理学元素让其有深度,能共鸣。

    Zhang Beihai comes out almost as a Vulcan from StarTrek. Not only did he go undercover for many centuries, but also he came up with a shockingly unhuman solution to save the human race in the most dire moment. Morality is of no concern. Just another rational but dark choice in the face of desperation, which is quite consistent with the pervading sense of pessimism about humans through the first two books.
    章局就像StarTrek里的瓦肯人一样。他默默忽悠几百年,但在最后关头的惊人之举拯救了人类。忽悠的真是惊天地泣鬼神节操全无。这是绝望面前的另一个理性但黑暗的抉择,和前两部弥漫的悲观基调吻合。

    This book presents an interesting theory about how different civilizations view each other in the vast universe, hence the reason for the book title “The Dark Forest”.
    介绍黑森。
    It’s similar to the famous prisoner’s dilemma where betrayal or hostility seems to generate the biggest rewards.
    和囚徒困境类似。
    The overall concept reminds me of the Inhibitors in “Revelation Space” by Alastair Reynolds.
    让我想起Revelation Space这本书(注,很多人都认为这本书设定很像三体)
    Again, the theory does not produce any good prospect for cosmic harmony.
    同样的一生理论也是很黑暗
    If u think the Three-Body Problem is a bit depressing, the Dark Forest gets bleaker.
    如果你认为三体已经很黑了,那黑森说实话更黑
    And of course, Liu is not done yet because the final installment of the trilogy is called “The Dead End”.
    看起来第三部应该更黑,从名字就看得出来。

    The Three-Body Problem was the finalist for both Hugo and Nebula awards this year. I will not surprised if the Dark Forest actually win it. That’s how GOOD it is.
    三体入围了今年的雨果、星云双奖,但黑森应该可以真正的获奖——如果非要问我黑森有多好,这就是我的回答。

    Stop staring at these helpless and spoiling reviews! Just grab one and start reading.
    ByCaesarZX
    别TM的看这些傻逼剧透书评了,去买一本直接读吧!

    Bought on Day 1 and finished on Day 3. It was a fantastic Sci-fi reading experience from beginning right to end. You just couldn't stop feeling surprised and stunned all the time, by those choices and decisions, regardless they matter or not, made by the characters. The unthinkable scope of the plot and sceneries just repeatedly stroke your imagination and nerves like. Twists and turns in both large and small scale are blended in the whole logical storyline, so it turns out to be more like a mind-bending blockbuster movie.
    第一天买的,第三天看完。从头爽到尾啊。惊喜不断,那些猪脚们然并卵的选择和决定一次次的让我找不到下巴。绝对意想不到的情节和场景一次次的击穿你的脑洞,点燃你的神经。真是嘈嘈切切错杂弹,大反转小反转落玉盘,共同编织成一条完整的故事线的。最后你会发现这就是一部原子弹级别的惠人三观的史诗电影啊有木有!

    Definitely a powerful Hugo/Nebular competitor and a likely winner next year.
    绝对是雨果、星云的强力竞争者,很可能明年得奖。

    I loved the moody mystery of Three Body.
    我喜欢三体一的阴郁神秘。
    While this book retains the unfortunate emotional flatness of the original, it also retains the boundless creativity and ability to deliver delightful and horrifying surprises to the reader.
    很不幸第二部和第一部一样在描述时过于淡定,但可喜的是同时也保留了一样的创造性和带给读者喜悦和惊吓的能力。
    While it isn't without flaws, it is nonetheless a classic. My only advice is to read it now and guard yourself against spoilers.
    尽管略有瑕疵,但绝对是经典。我唯一的建议是——现在就读——这样才能免受那些丧心病狂的无良剧透党之害。

    Bleak, despair and redemption.
    阴郁,绝望与救赎
  • 靓老虎
    那个看完第二部结局又相信“爱能战胜绝望”的读者,看到第三部会崩溃的。

    歪果仁:说好的爱拯救世界呢?!
  • d
    dserl
    好莱坞请不要放过三体
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    thecatman
    第3部才牛逼啊,第2部只是比较宏大而已。不过严重怀疑第3部有人看不懂。
  • h
    hhenheng
    外国人的四方大脑一定会改编三体成他们喜欢的结局再拍电影的
  • r
    rukiajn
    第三部的还没出英文版吧?
  • i
    iblicf
    没看过的人就不能混D版了么
  • 郁苦山水
    三体的确好 的确好
  • c
    cityhunter_zwy
  • 傻傻分不清楚
    我看了下amazon的评论 感觉还是中国人刷的评论比较多 感觉
  • i
    iouniuniu
    回复11#傻傻分不清楚

    看 Goodreads 的,也是一边倒的好。4.6 的评分。
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    farewell66
    这是电影还是书?名字叫黑森林? iOS fly ~
  • b
    blue999new
    第三部到1800万年处将老外一击必杀
  • c
    crazymove
    好莱坞请不要放过三体
  • 傻傻分不清楚
    回复12#iouniuniu


    嗯 我倒不是说这书不好 就是看评论的时候大部分都是汉语拼音的名字
  • 马尾控
    看来很多老外不明白啥叫 十年面壁图破壁
  • 马尾控
    三体第二部标题是黑暗森林,第三部是死神永生。
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    richking
    歪果仁已经习惯了小清新的软科幻,就是类似天渊这种,三体这种宏观巨制,从多个角度正儿八经研讨人类和星际文明未来的书,当然是碾压性的。
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    odyssuse
    完全可以成为中国的漫威
  • 零号
    没什么关系吧,君不见D版没看过就开喷的人那么多
  • i
    iouniuniu
    回复18#傻傻分不清楚

    没别的意思。确实是 Amazon 上确实太多人刷评价了。
  • q
    qigechusi
    。。。。老外们太没见过世面了。
  • b
    blue999new
    这个点子相当好
    主要三体的时间线足够长,而且后续也还可以扩展,各种外传、补完、重启、平行世界,做好了吃一辈子都没问题

    这方面真应该好好借鉴下美国和日本的做法
  • 双倍余额递减法
    卧槽我刚看完你这个回复才知道。。
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    polyahu
    英文版第一部叫 Three-body Problem 第二部是 Dark Forest 第三部是 Death End
  • k
    kkkm
    ,真想看看这些相信爱要拯救世界的孩子读第三部时的脸色,迫不及待了哈哈
  • k
    kairyu
    回复27#双倍余额递减法

    ID好评,达摩祖师都不知道吗HiPDA·NG
  • d
    daddle
    配合上面那些评论的中文翻译,风味更佳啊。
  • k
    kkkm
    回复14#francisngl

    但是我感觉她那个做法可能会得到很多老外的认可,圣母问题是全球性的,虽然我看书的时候恨不得把她x了又x,然后xx再xxxx。
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    tantalus.lee
    回复3#靓老虎
    非虐死他不可。 iOS fly ~
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    segula
    第三部太阳系都没了,歪果仁要哭了
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    mican
    第二部确实是最棒的HiPDA·NG
  • r
    rck
    第三部的想象力太强大了。。。
  • 赤岩
    好评如潮啊
  • 超人不会飞
    最新评论:

    三体1得了雨果奖?那么三体2可以得一打雨果奖。
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    pdafish
    请中国导演放过三体
  • 靓老虎
    你还别说,当时就把我杀了。。。
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    wangsenhp
    第三部他们就哭了
  • 白必图
    第三部直接太阳系都没了
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    dos4gw
    面壁、破壁,深深的文化鸿沟啊。
  • 8
    820
    水军 真多
  • k
    kankana
    凡事都有两面性,像是d版有推荐必有人喊反指。想看看比较典型的负面评价 iOS fly ~